# A Subject Kids Love: Math???? D’s Try

Here’s the up date: My son hates, hates, hates math.  Read on to find out what went wrong!

Do your kids love Math? I know my son has grown to hate it….see yesterday’s post below for the details.

I’m not sure if my son will want to do this one!! 😦 If your kid does, I’d be happy to post the results, so feel free to give it a whirl. Well, frankly, he did not at all. I offered to do it with him, but he preferred to sit alone at the computer. Here are his responses to yesterday’s questions and math challenges in italics:

– How do you feel about Math?

i really don’t like math.

– If you’re entering Grade Four this year (like my son), what do you remember from last years school math?

not much just a few things.

– Can you do addition with multi-digit numbers?

yes.

Let’s try this one: 536 + 398 = ?

i seriously can not do this

I’d like you to try a few techniques and tell me which ones work best for you.

no

1) Guess-timating

Round the numbers up or down: is it easier to add 550 to 400? What does that equal roughly? Will the exact answer be a little higher or lower?

950

2) Adding in columns / Carrying

I’m guessing this is the way most of us have been taught in school. Do you add the ones column first or the hundreds? Does it help to write the numbers in each column in a different colour? When you add the six and eight in the ones column, you get 14, which is more than 9, what do you do?

i start at the left and move to the right thats all.

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3) Manipulatives / Using Your hands to Move Things around

Sort coloured paper squares and strips like these ones made from graph paper into ones-red, tens-blue, hundreds-green. Move them around so that they represent our numbers as shown. i don’t understand

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5oo + 30 + 6 300 + 90 + 8

Then add the hundreds squares in green, how many hundreds do you have?

dont understand

When you count up all the tens strips in blue, what do you get?

dont understand

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And the red ones, how many are there, what do you do now?

dont understand

4) Counting Money

For many, counting money is simply more fun because it’s more real! More useful!

Which bills and how many of each would you need to make \$536?

5 hundreds 1twenty 1 ten 1 five 1 one

How many \$500 bills? How many \$20 dollar bills, \$10s, \$5s, loonies etc.

1 1 1 1 and 1

Now do the same with the \$398. You could write up a list or draw pictures of the bills, or

use real money (if you have that much kicking around! ;))

3 hundreds 4 twentys 1 ten 1 five 3 loonies

5) Word Problems

the question is not how much money you need to get before you can get the computer the question is how much is the computer.

(This one made me happy, because at least I know he read the question properly and found the mistake I made! I should have written You need \$900! So, of course, D’s answer was correct.)

Follow this link to watch the video. How does watching someone else’s instructions, hearing their voice help? Does it help to be able to pause and rewind?

Ok, so I left D to tackle this alone, and by the time he was done, he was miserable and super frustrated. I asked him if he’d tell me which ways worked best and he could hardly speak, and wanted to avoid me. This is often how he feels in school around math too, and when I ask him about Math at school or doing Arithmatic, Subtraction,Multiplication and so on, he often balks, freezes up, and sometimes just collapses. He HATES it! I let him calm down a bit, and then asked him if he’d do the manipulative part with me, as he hadn’t actually used the pieces of paper, he was still feeling blocked, but slowly moved into doing it with me, and obviously understood. he then admitted that using the manipulatives was the best way, and that he can do it in columns too. But then he simply wanted to get away and avoid any more discussion on math! My learning objective today wasn’t to make sure D could do this kind of addition, it was to remind myself how many approaches to teaching actually cause the wrong result. I’m not sure yet how to rekindle my son’s love of math. I mean he really gets into visual-spacial stuff, geometry, patterns and so on, but does not like doing equations! His block is so profound that he basically breaks down as soon as he hits a small wall, and is not willing to struggle through it. If he was an unschooling home learner, I’d simply drop the subject and focus on other forms f math for now. But he’s not he’s returning to school as soon as the strike ends.

If I could go back and redo this, i would do it with my son, at a table, where we’d discuss the choices, and he’d show me the way he needed. if you have acid that struggles with Math, i suggest you do this.

Later on, I asked D’s permission to post this here, and he agreed. I asked him what he’d learned and he said dimly that I don’t like Math. 😦

So, after trying these with your kid, or letting her/him try them themselves, I’d love to know which ways helped them the most? Do they use other techniques? which way is the most fun? Which was is the most clear? Which was is the most efficient?

I look forward to hearing from you.

# A Subject Kids Love – Math?????

Do your kids love Math?  I know my son has grown to hate it, and so did my boy friend’s oldest when he was still in regular school (now at Windsor House Free School).

Last year, I wasn’t working due to a knee injury, and used some of my free time to volunteer in my son’s class.  Among other things, I did a program I dubbed Math Madness that aimed to get the kids more revved up about math by engaging them through various learning / processing types. My son’s and many other children’s experience around Math is that the innate curiosity they have as little ones to understand the world through counting, measurement, geometry, patterns and so, gets dulled through the rote, linear process of aural and written systematic instruction.

Some kids do love it that way because it suits their learning style or their way of understanding the world.  What about the others?

I tried introducing sound, tactile, manipulative, story-based, art, science, problem solving, games, and other ways of approaching and grasping the subject.  We focused on process, inquiry, self-awareness, experimenting rather than getting the right answer.  It was fun.  The teacher and I were both surprised by many discoveries and ahah moments.

So, here it is our first post on Math.  It’s pretty straight forward really.  Just a simple task to get you and your kid thinking about different ways to approach math….

I’m not sure if my son will want to do this one!! 😦 If your kid does, I’d be happy to post the results, so feel free to give it a whirl.

Here we go!

Let’s see how you’d solve this problem, which I borrowed from a Khan Academy Lesson, geared towards a Grade Three student.

– How do you feel about Math?

i really don’t like math.

– If you’re entering Grade Four this year (like my son), what do you remember from last years school math?

not much just a few things.

– Can you do addition with multi-digit numbers?

yes.

Let’s try this one: 536 + 398 = ?  i seriously can not do this

I’d like you to try a few techniques and tell me which ones work best for you.

no

1) Guess-timating

Round the numbers up or down: is it easier to add 550 to 400? What does that equal roughly? Will the exact answer be a little higher or lower? 950

2) Adding in columns / Carrying

I’m guessing this is the way most of us have been taught in school.  Do you add the ones column first or the hundreds?  Does it help to write the numbers in each column in a different colour?  When you add the six and eight in the ones column, you get 14, which is more than 9, what do you do?

i start at the left and move to the right  thats all.

3) Manipulatives / Using Your hands to Move Things around

Sort coloured paper squares and strips like these ones made from graph paper into ones-red, tens-blue, hundreds-green.  Move them around so that they represent our numbers as shown. i don’t understand

5oo  +  30  +  6       300  +  90  +  8

Then add the hundreds squares in green, how many hundreds do you have?

dont understand

When you count up all the tens strips in blue, what do you get?

dont understand

And the red ones, how many are there, what do you do now?

dont understand

4) Counting Money

For many, counting money is simply more fun because it’s more real!  More useful!

Which bills and how many of each would you need to make \$536?

5 hundreds 1twenty 1 ten 1 five 1 one

How many \$500 bills?  How many \$20 dollar bills, \$10s, \$5s, loonies etc.

1                                 1                       1     1 and     1

Now do the same with the \$398.  You could write up a list or draw pictures of the bills, or

use real money (if you have that much kicking around! ;))

3 hundreds  4 twentys 1 ten  1 five  3 loonies

5) Word Problems

the question is not how much money you need to get before you can get the computer the question is  how much is the computer.

Follow this link to watch the video.  How does watching someone else’s instructions, hearing their voice help?  Does it help to be able to pause and rewind?

So, after trying these with your kid, or letting her/him try them themselves, I’d love to know which ways helped them the most?  Do they use other techniques?  which way is the most fun?  Which was is the most clear?  Which was is the most efficient?

I look forward to hearing from you.

# Daily Log – A Topic I Love by D

I was pleased with my boy D’s engagement yesterday, so I thought I’d try again today!

Yesterday, we set off to spend some money D had saved on Nerf Guns he’s been wanting. He was pleased with his purchases, and headed straight to his dad’s house after the shopping trip to play. Let’s see what he has to say about it all.

Today, D, I’d like to give you a choice. Please answer the first two questions, and then choose one of the last four.

– What is it about Nerf Guns that you like?

i like the nerf guns because they shoot really far, and some of the other nerf guns are really REALLY REALLY!!! big so this one is a good size for me

– How did you choose the two guns you bought yesterday?

– Describe one of the guns you bought, what are the good and bad things if any about it, and why you would or wouldn’t recommend it to others. In other words write a short review.

the gun shoots really straight and it is a really cool looking gun….and ,i am 9 the gun is perfectly my size so i would recommend this gun 8 out of 10 or 84 out of 100.

– Please tell us about Nerf Gun Mods. What is a mod and why do young people love them so much?

– There’s a You-Tuber who does videos about Nerf Gun mods. I’ve forgotten his name. Who is he? Why do you watch his videos? Tell us about one of his videos you particularly like. In what ways has it inspired you?

– Some parents do not like their children playing war games. What is your opinion about that? Why do you like playing these games? Can you understand why some people don’t like it for their kids? What would you recommend to them?

Ok, so he did it. This time D answered the questions as quickly as he could. There are other kids around playing video games, making bread, so he’s distracted by them, and didn’t put as much enthusiasm into it as yesterday. Earlier though I was introducing this blog process to my boyfriend’s oldest son, and D said, you should do it, it’s really fun, so hopefully you’ll see a post or two from him.

Yesterday, I also asked D what he thought of the exercise and he confirmed that he likes typing a lot more than hand-writing because it’s faster. So I’m wondering now whether I should just keep him going on with these mini check ins, appreciating what he has to offer, or whether I should encourage him to write more.  What do you think?

What happens when we give children choice?  Will they always chose the easiest route?   Do their experiences at school with being forced to do work they don’t necessarily want to do lead them to avoiding difficult tasks?

I’d love to hear what you think in the comments below.

Anyway, thanks D.  I’m glad you’re doing this with me.

# First Day – Video Games and Role Play

My son, 9 and a half returned from  the weekend at his dad’s this morning.  The first thing he did after a polite dose of weekend description, and a half hour greeting, play and breakfast with the boys upstairs, was play a video game.  I let me him loose on it, knowing he’d be eager to play at his own speed, rhythm, but after an hour or so, I encouraged him to get off so that I could use the home computer.  He’s now dressing up and role-playing, likely based on the game….here’s my question, is this learning, and if yes, in what ways?  Here are a few questions I asked my son and his typed responses.

–  Can you describe what you’re doing right now and why you like it?

me and my friends  always used to play ARMY, guys  with are ARMY, costumes and          our ARMY, guns and grapplehooks  and  boms.   butt we stopped doing it so today i was dressing up and inventing new costumes because i want to start doing  it again.

– Why do you like the video game you were just playing and how did it inspire your dress      up play?

i really don’t  know why i like this  video game its just really fun , the video game is called tf2 or team fortress two and this video game did not inspire my dressing up at all except the fact that they are both related to  modern warfare.

– How do you feel about the strike?  Are you going to miss school?  Why or why not?

i do not miss school at all because my friends are not in school either.

Ok, that was a fairly painless and simple task.  The question still, is this learning?  I chose some basic questions based on what my son was presently engaged in, I let him answer them when he was ready, and basically put no pressure on him at all.  He’s not very keen on writing, that’s why I chose two topics that he is interested in: gaming and costume / role play.

I am pleasantly surprised.  First of all, he accepted my task willingly, he applied himself, asked for quiet, and requested a few spelling tips.  He spent about 20 minutes doing this, which felt like a lot to me.   I know getting him to do hand-writing in class is like pulling teeth.  It’s both a physical and emotional staring for him:  his hands hurt and he can never think of stuff to write.  I think he finds hand writing laborious and slow, and so loses patience.  Because he jumped right in today, I have chosen neither to correct his mistakes  nor to discuss his content with him right away.  I will engage him in a feed back discussion tomorrow, if it seems he’d like that.  What my aim here is to bring out his love of expression in the written form, and to not lose him, as his school writing often does int he drudgery!  My boy loves to talk, he loves to tell stories, and reviews of films, he expresses his opinions in volumes and torrents, but has not yet caught the bug of writing it all down.

As a language teacher, I am trained to look at spelling, punctuation, syntax, and content of course, but what is intriguing me and pleasing me most in my son’s answers above his wealth of expression.  You can clearly see which two questions engaged him more.  Also, he has used a couple of lovely complex sentences and phrases to express himself very clearly.   While there are a few mistakes in punctuation and spelling, I can see that D has used comas and periods, a creative use of capital letters to emphasize, and was engaged in spelling. Overall, what is revealed by this exercise is that he does have something to say, and he says it fairly well.  Few of these techniques have been taught to him directly, rather he’s developed his expression from lots of discussion at home and school, and a lot of reading and encounters with complex ideas.

Did he enjoy this or at least find it satisfying?

Can I track his progress and engage in an expressive exchange with my son in this way?

My guess is yes to all of these, and so for me the answer to the question, is he learning? is YES.

Does your child struggle with literacy skills?  Would you like to see her/him writing more?  What ideas have you tried to engage your child/ren in writing?  Have they worked?   Does your child prefer other forms of self-expression: talking, making videos, music and so on?  Can these be viewed as literacy?  Does your child love reading, but not writing?